{"id":42,"date":"2012-02-20T08:34:15","date_gmt":"2012-02-19T22:34:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/2012\/02\/20\/is-confucianism-a-religion\/"},"modified":"2012-03-15T22:08:54","modified_gmt":"2012-03-15T12:08:54","slug":"is-confucianism-a-religion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/2012\/02\/20\/is-confucianism-a-religion\/","title":{"rendered":"Is Confucianism a Religion?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>  <o:OfficeDocumentSettings>   <o:RelyOnVML\/>   <o:AllowPNG\/>  <\/o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <\/xml><![endif][if gte mso 9]><xml>  <w:WordDocument>   <w:View>Normal<\/w:View>   <w:Zoom>0<\/w:Zoom>   <w:TrackMoves\/>   <w:TrackFormatting\/>   <w:PunctuationKerning\/>   <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas\/>   <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false<\/w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>   <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false<\/w:IgnoreMixedContent>   <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false<\/w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>   <w:DoNotPromoteQF\/>   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lang=\"EN-AU\">) changed over time, some of which seemed to be much more \u2018religious\u2019 than others. His focus is on what we in the West would consider \u2018classic\u2019 Confucianism as we interpret it as having existed in the pre-Qin era (<em>Spring-and-Autumn<\/em> &amp; <em>Warring States<\/em>). Nor does he properly define what he means by a religion, seeming to take it for granted that any supernatural element is ipso facto a religious element. I regard that as hardly satisfactory, since it would make Neo-Platonism \u2013 or even Platonism \u2013 a religious movement rather than a philosophical one; and I think that\u2019s certainly debatable.<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p><font color=\"#000000\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\"><span lang=\"EN-AU\">In any case, having made the obvious (and obviously true) points that Confucianism appears in large part to be a secular system:<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\">\u00a0<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\">Its teachings are almost exclusively concerned with behavior in the empirical world: <em>ren<\/em> <em><span style=\"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'\">\u2014<\/span><\/em>\u201caltruism or \u201chuman-mindedness\u201d; <em>li<\/em> <em><span style=\"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'\"><\/span><\/em>\u2014ritual and etiquette; <em>xiao<\/em> <em><span style=\"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'\"><\/span><\/em>\u2014\u201cfilial piety\u201d. These are moral principles that are applied to the so-called \u201cfive bonds\u201d<span>\u00a0 <\/span>\u2014between ruler and subject, father and son, husband and wife; older and younger brother; friend and friend.<span lang=\"EN-AU\"><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\"><span lang=\"EN-AU\">And that: <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\">\u00a0<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\">It is quite clear that these virtues (including the behaviors they promoted, as in ritual and etiquette) could be divorced from any specific religious beliefs.<span> <span lang=\"EN-AU\"><\/span><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\"><span lang=\"EN-AU\">And yet he concludes that it <em>is <\/em>a religion on the basis that <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\">\u00a0<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\">there is one classical and rather central Confucian belief that, I think, is unambiguously religious\u2014that of <em><span style=\"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'\">tian<\/span><\/em>, usually translated as \u201cheaven\u201d. It is not theistic, although gods are associated with it. Rather, it is a cosmic order, supernatural in that it transcends the empirical world, over which it presides and with which it interacts. It thus serves as the necessary, <em><span style=\"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'\">ipso facto<\/span><\/em> religious foundation for all the secular virtues propagated by Confucian teachings.<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\">And since the moral order that Confucianism promotes is justified by appeal to this supernatural entity <em>tian<\/em>, it follows that the ideology itself is a religious system.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font color=\"#000000\">It is certainly true that <em>tian<em> <\/em><\/em>(?)<span style=\"font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'\"> <\/span>plays a justificatory role in Confucianism, but only incidentally, and far from essentially. In fact, as far as I can tell, the concept is used almost always metaphorically in early Confucian texts. Thus it may be said that a ruler was entitled to rule only so long as he possessed the \u2018mandate of Heaven\u2019 (??, <em>tianm\u00ecng<\/em>), and this was a fairly standard opinion of the time, but the Confucianists do not depend on Heaven to make things turn out the way they ought: they seem always to have other justifications than appealing to the will of Heaven. In the case of the mandate of Heaven, for example, the Mencian version of Confucianism explained that a king could <em>be<\/em> a king only so long as he behaved as a king. If he failed to behave as a king \u2013 i.e. failed to follow the rules and rites and to have the appropriate ren as indicated by the sages of old \u2013 then he could not be called a king. The \u2018rectification of names\u2019 would name him as the criminal that he was, which would allow his oppressed subjects \u2013 who are accordingly <em>not<\/em> his subjects to rid themselves of this burden. Thus King Hsuan of Ch\u2019i asked of Mencius (1B8):<em><span><br \/>\n<\/span><\/em><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\"><em><span>&#8220;Is it permissible for a vassal to murder his lord?&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; line-height: normal\"><font color=\"#000000\"><em>Mencius replied, &#8220;One who robs r\u00e9n you call a \u2018robber;\u2019 one who wrecks y\u00ec you call a \u2018wrecker;\u2019 and one who robs and wrecks you call an \u2018outlaw.\u2019 I have heard that [Wu] punished the outlaw Zhou &#8211; I have not heard that he murdered his lord.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/font><\/p>\n<p><\/font><font color=\"#000000\"><font color=\"#000000\"><em><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'\">\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/font><font color=\"#000000\">But even if <em>tian <\/em>was,  in fact, required to make the moral system of Confucianism work, that  would not make Confucianism a religious system. To grasp this point we  simply need to compare this with John Locke\u2019s theory of rights and  political legitimacy. Locke derives our claim to rights from his  conception of Natural Law, which is really identical to Aquinas\u2019s idea  of Natural Law: it is a prescription of the way we ought to act, which  reflects God\u2019s authority over us, and is something that we can discover  for ourselves just because we are human and rational. In these respects  then, Locke\u2019s rights\u2019 are much more essentially tied to God than  Confucius\u2019s virtues are attached to <em>tian<\/em>, and nobody thinks to call Locke\u2019s philosophy a religion.<\/font><br \/>\n<\/font> <font color=\"#000000\"><em><span><\/span><\/em><\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Peter Berger in The American Interest (February 15, 2012) asks: \u2018Is Confucianism a Religion?\u2019 It\u2019s an old question and Berger himself goes through some of the issues involved \u2013 though he does not much consider the many ways that \u2018Confucianism\u2019 (ru jia) changed over time, some of which seemed to be much more \u2018religious\u2019 than [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,20],"tags":[17],"class_list":["post-42","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-philosophy","category-religion","tag-chinese"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevewatson.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}